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Saturday 20 February 2021

Cut with Voids when Loaded in Revit

When this new feature appeared in Revit about 10 years ago (v2012?), it was always a bit mysterious - it had many confusing restrictions about how and when you could use it

So, what is this family property that shows up in the Family Editor in Revit?

Autodesk Help in v2021:

"Cut with Voids When Loaded: When selected, voids created in the family will cut through solids. The following categories can be cut by voids: ceilings, floors, generic models, roofs, structural columns, structural foundations, structural framing, and walls."

That's it - all the help you will get from Autodesk on this one!  It hardly explains much about how to use it.  If you dig deep you might find more information - but there is no link to it.  

It is inaccurate in that it says "voids . . . will cut through solids".  It should say "may cut. . . "
It is also not up to date with its category list.

In Revit the tool-tip is pretty much the same, although it does at least have a diagram that shows why you might want to use it:

This is a classic example of inconsistency in help and tooltips.  I remember during beta testing that we asked for the ability to cut holes in worktops using this new feature - worktops are usually in the "Casework" category, which was not included in the list of cuttable categories.  Luckily it was added as a further enhancement a year or two later - but Casework does not appear in any lists from Autodesk, even though it was used in this illustration.

[Edit] If you dig deeper in the Autodesk Help files under 'Cut Geometry' , it does have an updated list of categories that can be cut by this method:

 "You can cut objects in a project when a family with unattached voids is loaded.

Objects that can be cut include: Walls, Floors, Roofs, Ceilings, and Structural Framing, Structural Columns, Structural Foundations, Casework, Furniture, Specialty Equipment, and Generic Models."

I recently had a requirement to use this "new" feature in a Revit family - but I could not get it to work.  So I decided to revisit exactly how to make it work:

How does it work?

  • A void form has to be created in a Revit family

  • Tick the "Cut with Voids When Loaded" checkbox in the family parameters
  • The category of the family is not relevant to this feature

  • Load the family into a project
  • Place the family in the project in a location where the void intersects with an element in the model


  • The element will not be automatically cut
  • Use the "Cut Geometry" command

  • Select the element to be cut, then the family with the void in it
  • The element may or may not be cut, depending on the following rules:

Rules and Exceptions

  • The element to be cut must be of one of the following categories:
    • Casework (not listed in the help file or tooltip),
    • Ceilings, 
    • Floors, 
    • Furniture (not listed in the help file or tooltip),
    • Generic models, 
    • Roofs,
    • Specialty Equipment (not listed in the help file or tooltip),
    • Structural columns, 
    • Structural foundations, 
    • Structural framing,
    • Walls
  • The void in the family must not be cutting anything in the family - this is the rule that caught me out recently.  To get around it I had to create two voids:
    • The first one to cut elements in the family
    • The second one to cut elements in the project 
      • [Edit]There are two ways to prevent the void from cutting elements in the family:
      • 1. You have to create the void in a location where it does not intersect any geometry,
        • then move it to the correct location - it will not cut any intersecting geometry;
      • 2.  Or create a solid where you want it, and change it to a void - it won't cut unless you tell it to [Thanks to Simon Weel for reminding me of this method]

  • [Edit] I have had problems with saving families that only contain a void element that is not cutting anything - but I think that only happens for in-place families.
  • Cutting only happens in a project
  • This capability does not work in the family editor - when one (cutting) family is nested into another family.  This is a very frustrating restriction - it means that you have to build additional voids into the parent family, which is a pain if you have complex angled geometry.

Once you understand those rules and limitations, you can use this capability to get families to selectively cut elements in a project.  It does have some advantages over 'Face-Based' families that also allow you to cut into a host element:

  • You can decide whether you want individual elements to be cut or not
  • It does not need to be hosted  - it can be placed directly in the model with its own parametric controls (height etc)
  • It can be moved away from or to an element to be cut (it remembers the cutting status if moved away and back)
  • This can be added to existing families (converting to face-based requires recreating families)
  • The void can be anywhere in the family - it does not have to be related to a host face in the family (as face-based families do)

I hope this saves time for anyone who cannot get this feature to work properly.  

In this example I have carefully made the void slightly bigger than the basin for clarity in the illustrations - and to make sure that water runs down the side of the basin into the casework and rots the timber.  I suggest that you make it a closer fit or use lots of silicon to seal it.


  1. A couple of remarks. Our Project Template contains a box-like Generic Model as void to cut away parts of elements that cannot be cut away using one of the appropriate tools, like Shaft.

    You write: "You have to create the void in a location where it does not intersect any geometry"
    and: "The family must contain a solid element in addition to the cutting void - Revit won't let you save it if it does not)"

    Both have never proven to be an issue with me? That may be to the way I create Voids. I don't create voids by using "Create Void" but by just creating a solid form, like Extrusion. Only when the form is finished, I change it from Solid to Void in the Properties Panel. Problem solved?

    1. Hi Simon, you are quite right. I had forgotten about that trick of creating a solid and changing it to a void. I was also not correct about being unable to save a family with only a void in it - that sometimes happens with in-place families but not in this situation. I will change the blog post accordingly. Thanks for alerting me.

  2. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

  3. Hi! Is it possible to create this parameter? It does not appear when I try to make a generic model, or any component for that matter. And when making the component, no parameters are visible. Is there a way to fix this?

    1. Note that this is a built-in system "Family" parameter - so it shows up only in the family editor properties (click on the Family Parameter icon (yellow one on the Create Ribbon). It does not show in the Family Types parameter list. It is also not available at all in very old versions of Revit.