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Friday 7 August 2015

Part 1 - Creating Sinuous Curve Swept Blends in Revit Adaptive/Massing Environment

Loch Ness monster created in Revit

In a recent blog post I was trying to create a swept blend (or loft) along a single spline path
and I encountered a few problems, which were mostly (but not all) solved by including the spline path as part of 'Create Form' process.  That was just a preliminary test for what I ultimately wanted to create:   A swept blend along a sinuous multi-segment path made up of arcs and lines - not a spline (as seen above).
Here follows the next instalment in my trials and tribulations.  I will start simply by comparing the traditional methods and conceptual massing creation of a sweep, before moving on to a swept blend.

Traditional Sweep

In the traditional family editor, Revit can easily create a sweep along a sinuous multi-segment path, unless the radius of a curve on the path is too small and causes impossible geometry.  This example below is a simple sweep of one profile along several linked arcs and lines.  It creates a pretty good looking form if the arcs/lines are at perfect tangents to each other (in both the path and profile) - it does not show any join lines.
Traditional family editor sweep

CME Sweep

Try creating it in the Adaptive/Conceptual Massing Environment (CME) and you don't get such a good result - and there is less likelihood of Revit actually creating the form at all.  The example below is created using the same geometry as the one above, with some provisos:
  • The sweep path of perfect tangent lines and arcs had to be traced as reference lines with the pick line tool as you cannot copy sketch lines from the traditional family editor into the Adaptive/Massing environment (Grrrr - why not?).
  • The profile had to be recreated as an adaptive component profile as you cannot use regular Revit profiles in CME.  Refer to Swept blend using profiles in Adaptive Components for how to create and host the profiles.
CME Sweep using one profile and reference lines/arcs as path
Notice the nasty join lines at every change of line/arc in the path;  likewise in the profile, which again has perfect tangent transitions.

CME Swept Blend

If you try something similar as a swept blend you run into roadblocks very quickly:
  • Host another profile (similar or in this case same shape, lower height) at the other end of the path
  • In this example the easiest way to do that is to place a point on the reference line/arc;  then host the adaptive profile onto the point
  • Select the two profiles and the chain of lines
  • Create Form
  • Computer says 'No'.  Refer to Unable to Create Form for more variations on this dialog box
CME Swept blend on multiple arc/line path - failure
  • If you try moving the host points further around the arcs on the path so that the path is less sinuous it still fails
  • Try putting the host points and profiles on almost straight section but hosted on different lines - still no go
Another swept blend failure
  •  It is not until you put the two profiles onto the same line or arc segment that it actually succeeds in creating a form (if you select only that segment and two profiles)
This technique is getting painful and is obviously not going to work - Revit cannot create a swept blend on multiple segment paths!  What a major limitation on a sophisticated 3D modelling program.

Another approach is required:

How to convert the arcs and lines into one path?  Well you could try tracing a spline over the top - but that has several problems:
  • A spline is not easy to set out on a drawing for construction;  it cannot be dimensioned
  • A spline will not follow the original path accurately - it will bulge out when there should be a smooth transition from arc to straight line
  • The spline will not update if the reference line path is changed

Divide Path

Another option is to use an inbuilt Revit technique:  'Divide Path' - this creates a single element that sits on top of multiple lines/arcs selected in a chain.
The divided path has an added benefit of automatically generating nodes on which to host the profiles.  The next roadblock is that when you select the profiles and then the divided path, the 'Create Form' icon disappears - it cannot use a divided path as a sweep path.  Aaaaargh!
You could start placing profiles along the path, and try to link them as a form - by selecting them all and 'Create form' (without defining a path).  Sadly it does not work - it is unable to create form.  Even if it could, if they are too far apart it might take shortcuts between each profile (ie. it does not respect the order they are on the path).
If you select only some of the profiles, and create a form, you can see that it will not follow the path at all closely, especially if they are not close together.

 If you create separate forms for each pair (or trio) of profiles you get pretty awful results:
Even if it could get the order right it also cannot do all the profiles in one go as the curves are too tight for it.

So, is the answer to increase the number of nodes on the divided path and add more profiles?
It gets a bit tedious placing adaptive profiles, and sometimes they flip for no apparent reason.

So maybe we can use another Revit tool to place multiple profiles:  Repeaters


If you place just one profile on a divided path node, you can use the 'Repeat' command to array the profile onto every node (they still sometime flip!).
If you select all the profiles, Revit should have a better chance of more closely following the path as it joins them all, right?
The next problem is that you cannot create forms directly from a repeater - you have to first dissolve the repeater using the new (in v2015 r2) 'Remove Repeater' command.
This command was wrongly named in my opinion, as it dissolves the repeater back to individual profiles rather than removing it altogether.
If you select all the profiles, Revit still cannot create a form as the path is too sinuous for it, and it still gets the order of profiles wrong even though they are closer to each other

Unable to create Form
The next trick I tried was to push the profiles back along the divided path so that each was closer together, and did not try to go around such a sinuous curve.  This is simple enough on a Divided Path by changing its 'Beginning and End Indent' properties
 I then selected all the profiles and 'Create Form'.  Finally some success:
By hiding the profiles, it showed that the form does not have vertical joints - this is because we did not actually define the path by selecting arcs in the path.  that probably means the resultant form is not following exactly along the arcs, but it is close.  We still get joints running along the top because the profile is made up of arcs and lines.  That would not have happened in the traditional Revit family environment - Harrumph!
But this is still effectively a sweep, not a swept blend.  That part is easy to solve:  each profile has a height instance property (because I made them that way - it could be a type property).  So the heights of each one can be adjusted, and the form follows along.
 The profile heights could have been adjusted before creating the form
Once you hide the profiles, it is starting to look like the Loch Ness monster that I was trying to create
The next problem to solve is how to get the form to spread along the whole length of the path . . . .

That is an issue to be solved in the next post Part 2 - sadly it is not as simple as you might guess (if you have followed the process so far)

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